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Murder Mystery Universal Banlist (Input your bans/unbans here)

Post by Psychoreality on Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:21 pm

Since I think the previous banlist disappeared, I thought I'd make up a new one that covers every possibility. Feel free to break from these bans in your own MMs, this is only a guide. Also, you may request bans, but try to rationalise your statements beyond "this move/Pokemon is far too good/too weak/too common". Pokemon are MUCH less likely to be banned.
BANNED POKEMON
Smeargle (Can learn every move except Hyperspace Fury and moves that cannot be skteched, therefore OP in MM/easy to blame in MM)
Ditto (Learns no damaging moves)
Metapod, Kakuna, Silcoon, Cascoon (Very limited movepool, essentially useless)
Magikarp (Can only learn two moves)
Wobbuffet (Can only deal indirect damage)
Kricketot, Tynamo, Combee, Beldum, Wimpod (Movepool too limited)
Pyukumuku (No offensive moves)
Silvally (Item-based mechanic, Multi-Attack is a weird move, gigantic movepool)

BANNED MOVES
All STATUS moves (Status moves in Pokemon are all moves that do not deal direct damage to another Pokemon)
Selfdestruct/Explosion (Also kill the user, unusable in an MM setting)
Endeavour (Cannot kill opponent)
Final Gambit (Same deal as Selfdestruct/Explosion)
Hidden Power (Has 17 types it can be)
Hyper Beam/Giga Impact (Learnt by almost every Pokemon)
All Legendary Pokemon's Signature moves (Since they cannot be learned by any Pokemon other than the legend it makes it obvious)
False Swipe/Hold Back (Cannot kill opponent)
Return/Frustration/Round (Learnt by almost all Pokemon)
Snore (Can only be used while asleep)
All OHKO moves (Theoretically no reason why they would be banned, except that they have no Base Power. Also banning Sonic Boom and Dragon Rage in this.)
Nature Power/Secret Power (Too flexible, similar to Hidden Power)
Weather Ball (Very flexible, only a few Pokemon learn it)
Natural Gift (Requires berry, HUGE learnbase)
Round (massive learnbase)
All Z-Moves (Non-exclusives make everything way too vague, exclusives make everything way too narrow. Also requires a held item which is banned.)
Fling (Requires held item)
Headbutt (Massive learnbase)
Pledge moves/Blast Burn/Frenzy Plant/Hydro Cannon (Tiny learnpools, too flexible)


Last edited by Psychoreality on Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:17 pm; edited 14 times in total (Reason for editing : Changing title, after all this isn't a solo project anymore)
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Re: Murder Mystery Universal Banlist (Input your bans/unbans here)

Post by Articuno on Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:46 pm

I would add False Swipe and useless moves (such as Splash, Hold Hands, etc.) just for the whole set. Non-damaging moves in general (including Spiky Shield or hazards such as Spikes) should be banned entirely. I would even go so far as to not allow Present since it has a chance to heal... although it would be hilarious if a killer's attack failed in that manner, it wouldn't really go so well for the RP itself. 

As a bit of a grey area, I'll just mention the Illusion ability. I can see it being used really creatively, but I can also see it just like "/me masquerades as -insert innocent person here- and kills someone in front of everyone".

Ah, and I'd also ban "useless" Pokemon such as Unown or Magikarp.

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Re: Murder Mystery Universal Banlist (Input your bans/unbans here)

Post by Marshall De Vos on Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:19 am

Considering I like to host MMs may I add a little bit of my own opinion/banlists?

As for pokémon, I tend to ban, adding to the two that Psycho already mentioned:
-) Legends (Let's be honest, they would always be a prime target, either first to be killed or voted off.)
-) Magikarp and Feebas (Limited movepool)
-) Cocoon pokemon, like Kakuna and Cascoon (same reasoning. And yes, I've had someone try to join one of my MMs as a Kakuna before.)
-) I would technically, as Arti said, also ban Unown, but I have not seen anyone using an actual Unown OC. Ever.

As for moves:
-) Return and Frustration (Near every pokemon learns these.)
-) Facade (Powers up under a condition that can never be technically obtained in-RP)
-) Snore (Requires user to be asleep, and Rest can't be used, so technically you're never in a state to allow usage)
-) Recoil moves unless your pokémon has Rock Head (Self-injury would be suspicious, even more so in a MM.)
@Arti: Splash and the like fall under the "Non-damaging moves" clause and IMO do not need extra clarification of being banned, but that may just be my point of view. Present is iffy, I agree to that, but... it's pretty much a forgotten move. Who even remembers that to be existing?

Also, my two cents on Illusion:
Using the ability itself to disguise and kill would definetely lead to sanctioning. The only thing I really do which pertains to the ability (since I have a Zoroark OC who quite often hosts/co-hosts), is to disguise as a legendary pokemon of choice to 'intimidate' the RPers when he appears. Though that never lasts long. He's sort of a prankster and reverts to his Zoroark form for the remainder of the RP.

I'm just going to admit that when I joined MMs as my Metagross OC a lot, I wanted to pull off a move with little players left where he uses Psychic to disguise a body as his own and makes everyone believe he died himself to dispel the illusion at the end and profit. Not going to try this anymore. Cool
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Re: Murder Mystery Universal Banlist (Input your bans/unbans here)

Post by Psychoreality on Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:59 am

Ah, yeah, that makes sense. Must have missed those.
@Feebas: Can get egg moves, will not add to banlist.
@Facade: Still deals damage, the power up is irrelevant in this respect.
@Unown: Banned by default as its only move is Hidden Power.
@Recoils: Why would you ban ALL recoil moves? Seems a bit strange. I don't think that's a necessity.
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Re: Murder Mystery Universal Banlist (Input your bans/unbans here)

Post by Cave_Hamster Cubone on Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:38 pm

Just saying, I have an MM that overrides a couple of these rules to make it unique. Is that O.K.?
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Re: Murder Mystery Universal Banlist (Input your bans/unbans here)

Post by Psychoreality on Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:44 am

If you have a different banlist, that's cool. I just wanted an outline of what the community thinks should be banned, but in the end the host has final say.
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Re: Murder Mystery Universal Banlist (Input your bans/unbans here)

Post by Cave_Hamster Cubone on Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:31 am

Coolio, thanks. Just wanted to clear it up, as in my MM they cannot use contact moves, and are allowed to use things such as WoW
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Re: Murder Mystery Universal Banlist (Input your bans/unbans here)

Post by Allyson(Ninetales) on Wed May 04, 2016 6:44 am

A little additional:
Mons: Wobbuffet(I think I have no need to explain this), Tynamo(Super small moveset), Kricketot(same thing as tynamo)
Moves: All moves that will only work if the user is attacked (Bide, Counter, Mirror Coat and Metal Burst), Round(Almost every mon can learn this), All OHKO Moves (Fissure, Horn Drill, Sheer Cold and Guillotine)
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Re: Murder Mystery Universal Banlist (Input your bans/unbans here)

Post by Enchidio on Fri May 06, 2016 3:48 pm

tbh what i think for the banlist if that if they dont deal damage (including indirect damage, fuck you wobbuffet) they shouldnt be allowed since magikarp actually has a movepool lol
and banning unown obvi

otherwise i agree on all the banned moves cept recoil and round

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Re: Murder Mystery Universal Banlist (Input your bans/unbans here)

Post by Psychoreality on Sun May 08, 2016 6:04 am

I'll add Wobbuffet and OHKO moves to the list, Counter moves are listed as Status so they're covered and Magikarp is a meme so I wanted it to be banned. Gonna also reiterate that if people are too stupid to think "oh hey unown's only move is banned maybe unown by proxy is banned" I dunno what to say.
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Re: Murder Mystery Universal Banlist (Input your bans/unbans here)

Post by Fenrir Aesir on Mon May 09, 2016 4:42 pm

I would also suggest/nominate Nature Power, since it can be of any type (like Hidden Power). Even though it isn't learned by every Pokemon, it makes it much more difficult for the innocents to guess correctly when the killer uses a move of a type that wouldn't have access to under any other circumstances. Whether this would extend to Secret Power for its ability to change based on location would be a similar story.

Additionally, Kricketot, Tynamo, Beldum, and Combee learn a total of three eligible moves each, which would make it too easy to determine the killer.
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Re: Murder Mystery Universal Banlist (Input your bans/unbans here)

Post by Psychoreality on Mon May 16, 2016 2:32 am

Alright, all of that seems reasonable enough. Banning.
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Re: Murder Mystery Universal Banlist (Input your bans/unbans here)

Post by MightyenaBoy on Mon May 16, 2016 7:11 pm

Banned moves include : Return, Frustration, Toxic, Hidden Power, Secret Power, Facade, Hyper Beam, Giga Impact, Round, any non-damaging move, Flail, Weather Moves, Weather Ball. Any move that has the ability to change into another move (Metronome, Nature Power etc..)

Ditto and Smeargle are banned, along with any form of a legendary, such as Deoxys, Jirachi, Giratina, etc.. So please do not ask to be any of those in the MM, unless for some reason you have perms.

This is my personal banlist, I've found it to be effective.

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Re: Murder Mystery Universal Banlist (Input your bans/unbans here)

Post by Articuno on Mon May 16, 2016 7:33 pm

Legendaries are allowed in MM if the host has permission. Whether this is because the host themselves is a legendary holder or they have been granted allowance from a holder to use a legend, it is still allowed.

If a participant is a legendary holder, they may ask the host if they can use their legendary in the RP.

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Re: Murder Mystery Universal Banlist (Input your bans/unbans here)

Post by Psychoreality on Tue May 17, 2016 2:41 am

Like Arti and I said, I don't want to blanket ban legendaries, but I agree with Weather Ball.
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